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    Quote Originally Posted by Erlend View Post
    If anyone has a 1073 eq which is as good as the UA one, then please tell me.

    It's a great model of the 1073. I use it with Unison when I have a track that would benefit that flavor and on an occasional track when mixing when I have enough DSP to spare. Even if it wasn't so DSP hungry, I wouldn't use that many. The 1073 isn't my favorite EQ. It's actually not in my top five but it is great when it's called for.

    I use the Massive Passive on the Mix Bus on every mix and the Harrison and Pultec get used still, but I don't think they are better than every native eq out there or I would only use the UAD eq's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kev View Post
    It's a great model of the 1073. I use it with Unison when I have a track that would benefit that flavor and on an occasional track when mixing when I have enough DSP to spare. Even if it wasn't so DSP hungry, I wouldn't use that many. The 1073 isn't my favorite EQ. It's actually not in my top five but it is great when it's called for.

    I use the Massive Passive on the Mix Bus on every mix and the Harrison and Pultec get used still, but I don't think they are better than every native eq out there or I would only use the UAD eq's.
    Having the Unison Tech is key, the Audio Interface with the Apollos is what enabled my original purchase, and I have a bunch of Compressors, Reverbs, etc.

    With the coming iMac Pros/Xeon Ws, I will speak heresy and say it's high time for UAD-3 or at least new Sharc chips. I understand one core is like the single core on a Mac or PC when record-armed, so that makes sense. Paying over $500 for four cores is getting to be ludicrous, and all the new UAD models use upwards of 60-70% of each. Native processing is getting that much better, and UAD-2 has been around for a long, long time.

    I'm certainly not out, I'm quite happy with what I already own, and I have no plans whatsoever to purchase any new wares at such high CPU usage rates on the current infrastructure. It's preposterous.

    The API Vision lies at the upper end of an acceptable usage range, as does the Neve 33609. I see no need for PA or Softube as I have them natively. I have some of PAs stuff on UAD and basically it's a waste of DSP as the native versions would barely hit the Mac Activity Monitor. Vertigo VSM-3 is a great example!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ Hellfire View Post
    But honestly, I have pretty much all I need. Not having new plugins to try out all the time makes me extremely more efficient at mixing since 90% of the time I know exactly what I want and what to use to do it. Mixes that would normally take me 2-3 days to do while trying new plugins take me less than a 1 day to a day and a half when I use plugins I know. And I get the final mix with only 1-2 revisions.
    Agreed. I really wanted UA to pull off a great VCA buss compressor but I've gotten used to using the Fairchild MK2 and Vari-MU instead (oh the sacrifices we make ).

    Quote Originally Posted by masque View Post
    studer tape machine.....check
    ampex mastering tape machine.....check
    LA2a.....check
    1176........check
    1073.......check
    shadow hills mastering comp......check
    manley massive passive.......check
    manley vari-mu........check
    emt 140......check
    lexicon 224.......check


    and we could go on and on, but my point is that the list above is responsible for like 75% of all recorded music I listen to and lust after sonically and now I have that stuff in virtual form. so I guess what i am saying is that with all the incredible stuff that have already emulated how much truly mind blowing, mind boggling, wet your panties kind of stuff is left????
    Agreed for the most part. The Studer, 1073, and EMT 140 could still stand to be more accurate, though the Studer isn't worth upgrading until we have more powerful DSP.

    Quote Originally Posted by NewdestinyX View Post
    And I want the VSS3 reverb from TC 6000.
    Just in case you missed it, it's available as a native plugin now.

    And no multi-band compressor plug or model has ever come close to TC's master X3 and 5. Boy I miss those.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kev View Post
    Why buy anything for UAD that is done by the same developer for Native?
    I never understood people asking for plugins that are available as Native to use on their DSP limited UAD cards.
    Agreed. Just to play devil's advocate, in a working recording studio, I do find it very convenient to have licenses tied to the Apollo.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cass Anawaty View Post
    Pretty sure x5 = Finalizer, which you can probably pick up pretty cheap. Or I would think.
    That's a great point! AFAIK, it's X3<Finalizer<X5.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kev View Post
    Back in the day there was no contest when I started using the UAD-1. Even the basic channel strip sounded way more analog than just about anything Native had. I bought everything that came out from UA because it was a no brainer compared to Native.

    Native has definitely caught up and it's easy for me to use a mixture of UAD and Native and not feel anything is missing.

    Price is what sways me these days. Novatron and FG Stress are two comps that pull me from using UAD comps in many situations.
    Still prefer UAD tape, Chandler, Manley, Unison is great...and more.

    Most of UAD's EQ's can be replaced I feel.

    THE biggest problem is the DSP limitations. Why buy anything for UAD that is done by the same developer for Native?
    I never understood people asking for plugins that are available as Native to use on their DSP limited UAD cards.

    I'm sure UA are doing something about the DSP but at what cost? The plugs are already expensive and I've invested in 14 cores already.

    I am much more picky about what I buy for my UAD DSP now and it's much more infrequent.
    The strategy I use with dsp (I have 12), is to mainly use them for the buses, where they cannot be rendered (or at least they can, but I don’t like to do it). This way I leave the computer with a good cpu processing power not to get stuck with the song. Saying that, in my opinion uad doesn’t need much of new plugins, but to an accelerator 3 Times as power as the octo.
    Does anybody have a different strategy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by miul View Post
    The strategy I use with dsp (I have 12), is to mainly use them for the buses, where they cannot be rendered (or at least they can, but I don’t like to do it). This way I leave the computer with a good cpu processing power not to get stuck with the song. Saying that, in my opinion uad doesn’t need much of new plugins, but to an accelerator 3 Times as power as the octo.
    Does anybody have a different strategy?
    That's my strategy as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Dahlberg View Post
    That's a great point! AFAIK, it's X3<Finalizer<X5.
    Umm - well.. Finalizer is something completely different than X3 or X5.

    But the main issue is that TC MasterX was always and only TDM - never released as Native. I only had HD1 for a short period of time. When i7 and E5 multicore Macs came out I converted to Native - non hardware based DSP except for UAD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NewdestinyX View Post
    Umm - well.. Finalizer is something completely different than X3 or X5.

    But the main issue is that TC MasterX was always and only TDM - never released as Native. I only had HD1 for a short period of time. When i7 and E5 multicore Macs came out I converted to Native - non hardware based DSP except for UAD.
    It was available on the Powercore for years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cass Anawaty View Post
    It was available on the Powercore for years.
    Yep. Just as pricey as TDM..

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    I still have the TDM version. Would LOVE that to port to Native. It still holds up really well.
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    Not too pumped lately with UAD plugs

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Hepworth View Post
    I still have the TDM version. Would LOVE that to port to Native. It still holds up really well.
    My point exactly. Need it in Native.. it does things in the mastering and even pre-master (mix) phase.. that no other multi does. I use Ozone now and love it.. but -- something about my MasterX. Miss it.

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