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    Still waiting on my soundtoys license. Would have thought my order on the 29th would have been processed by now. Really want to compare Decap and CV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LGK_Dude View Post
    Still waiting on my soundtoys license. Would have thought my order on the 29th would have been processed by now. Really want to compare Decap and CV.
    Did you buy from Soundtoys directly or a 3rd party? Either way you should have your license by now
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    Yah, follow up with support asap and never wait that long. If you do not hear back from a 3rd party vendor asap cancel the charges on your card.

    Soundtoys support is always exceptional.

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    Did you buy from Soundtoys directly or a 3rd party? Either way you should have your license by now
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    If youre looking for punch and a fuller sound for your drums Culture Vulture will help you with that. Be careful not to use too much distortion though. The API Vision channel strip on the way in is another great tool for drums. And last but not least for drum fattening and punch at mix down you cant go wrong with Sonic Envolution. Probably more of an answer than you are looking for but I am a drummer and those are some of my most used plugins on drums. I use the Neve 1073 on my kick drums though. I like it better than the API on my kicks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by musicman1973 View Post
    If you’re looking for punch and a fuller sound for your drums Culture Vulture will help you with that. Be careful not to use too much distortion though. The API Vision channel strip on the way in is another great tool for drums. And last but not least for drum fattening and punch at mix down you can’t go wrong with Sonic Envolution. Probably more of an answer than you are looking for but I am a drummer and those are some of my most used plugins on drums. I use the Neve 1073 on my kick drums though. I like it better than the API on my kicks.
    I'm generally an API kick guy but have you tried the 31102? Can be killer.

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    Yes but I like the 1073 preamp/eq combination in the unison slot on the way in. I can get the timbre of the bass drum with the punch and fullness I like right from the start. Your suggestion I like a lot on the stereo drum bus in parallel during mixdown. Hard to beat it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aesthete View Post
    Yah, follow up with support asap and never wait that long. If you do not hear back from a 3rd party vendor asap cancel the charges on your card.

    Soundtoys support is always exceptional.
    Thank you. I purchased directly from soundtoys and I dont know what the hold up was, but support made everything right today. Looking forward to shooting them out vs UAD!


    Quote Originally Posted by musicman1973 View Post
    If youre looking for punch and a fuller sound for your drums Culture Vulture will help you with that. Be careful not to use too much distortion though. The API Vision channel strip on the way in is another great tool for drums. And last but not least for drum fattening and punch at mix down you cant go wrong with Sonic Envolution. Probably more of an answer than you are looking for but I am a drummer and those are some of my most used plugins on drums. I use the Neve 1073 on my kick drums though. I like it better than the API on my kicks.
    Thanks for the tips! I had not heard of the Sonnox Envolution (must have been busy when it was released) so I will have to check that out as well. Yes, the Neve 1073 does add some nice warmth on the kick, and the EQ you can dial in some nice top end as well. I need to really sit down and try these sort of tips and tricks and others I read about on my drum tracks and see what works for me.

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    WOW - Demoed Culture Vulture vs Decapitator (both on "T" type distortion) on a thin lead guitar I wanted to beef up a bit, and in this example there was no question that CV was the better choice. It added nice harmonic distortion without sounding like I was adding an extra layer of distortion to the amp. It sounded very natural. Where as Decapitator sounded like I added a distortion on top of the guitar, which sounded very unnatural and a bit too much, even at low levels. I could push CV up to 8 and bias down to 4 and it still sounded natural, with Decap I couldn't go past 3. Decap could be a cool effect, but not what I wanted here.

    Drums - It was closer here, but still CV had more rich mid range warmth & punch vs Decapitator in the same mode. And then when I pushed CV in "P1" mode, CV still sounded very sweet on the drums while decap got very buzzy very quickly.

    Bass - Its the same conclusion, CV just seems to sound better, and seems to become a part of the sound rather than being added on top of the sound, if that makes sense.

    I do still like Decapitator because of the other modes which seem to be less buzzy, and the extra tonal shaping options, but I'll for sure be opting for the UA CV where possible when I want that effect. I hope Soundtoys considers an update to Decapitator as its a really cool, flexible tool that I would love to see keep up with more modern tools.


    As for the API 2500, I made the mistake of trying it on my drum bus... IT WAS AWESOME! It does a great job of sounding natural, yet adding some great punch! Really a night and day sound to me. Much better than the other tools I was using, and really easy to setup. Anything else I should try it on?

    Will need to spend more time with the Distressor and VoxBox next.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LGK_Dude View Post
    I do still like Decapitator because of the other modes which seem to be less buzzy, and the extra tonal shaping options, but I'll for sure be opting for the UA CV where possible when I want that effect. I hope Soundtoys considers an update to Decapitator as its a really cool, flexible tool that I would love to see keep up with more modern tools.
    Yeah, Decapitator is more flexible for sure, but CV is so much better at what it does. I still haven't heard any other "tube" saturation plugin come close to it. Which is quite surprising considering how many there are out there these days. Like you are saying, they tend to sound like something on top of the source rather than a part of it.

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    I didn't warm to Culture Vulture at first (excuse the pun), but after demoing on a few sources and comparing to other products such as Decapitator, Wave Arts Tube Saturator 2, and Kush Omega 458A ... I couldn't stop myself from buying it! And the API 2500 too...

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