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Thread: Help me pick: API 2500 vs Culture Vulture (prog rock plugins)

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannyhawaii View Post
    I didn't warm to Culture Vulture at first (excuse the pun), but after demoing on a few sources and comparing to other products such as Decapitator, Wave Arts Tube Saturator 2, and Kush Omega 458A ... I couldn't stop myself from buying it! And the API 2500 too...
    I have lusted this vst from day one and finally decided to purchase it. I also had some trouble getting into the API 2500. played with it a bit more -great stuff. added the CV - superb stuff.
    Don't want to hijack the thread, but both of the plugins are great also for Techno, not only prog rock

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moses View Post
    I have lusted this vst from day one and finally decided to purchase it. I also had some trouble getting into the API 2500. played with it a bit more -great stuff. added the CV - superb stuff.
    Don't want to hijack the thread, but both of the plugins are great also for Techno, not only prog rock
    I totally agree! I've been using them in rock and electronic tracks on the punchier side of things and I'm really glad I went for this sale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LGK_Dude View Post
    Will need to spend more time with the Distressor and VoxBox next.
    Didn't fell out of my seat with the distressor. maybe because i already own Fatso. But again, Lexicon 224 , API 2500 and vision were not a "love at first sight" so how knows what will happen next black Friday.

    However, Voxbox was an instant buy. had enough coupons when it was released. adding great clarity and volume to mid/high parts.

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    +1 Culture Vulture. It's a beast on your Drum Buss, Bass Buss, Master Buss and on your bread next to your coffee/tea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LGK_Dude View Post
    in general I worry that my mixes are a bit too muddy, but when I try to carve out room I loose that nice warmth, so I get stuck
    Some of your tracks sounded like late '70s Yes. Their rhythm section was always quite busy, and a beefy bottom end wasn't the sound they were after. Chris Squire said that in the early years, engineers didn't understand his approach - they thought that the bass should just hold down the bottom - whereas he wanted to play more melodically. The earlier Yes stuff was a compromise, and consequently it sounds more modern. While I understand their more agile approach, I think our ears are now expecting a modern sound to be big and slamming...but at the same time a heavy style could be oppressive So you've got a tough balancing act.

    Re: the sound stage, since we record at home in less-than-stellar rooms we usually end up close-micing everything. This puts every sound up in your face. Without shelling out $$$ for soundproofing and studio design, a little artificial ambience (i.e. reverb) helps a lot. The Ocean Way is brilliant at this, but it's a DSP hog. I usually printed the ambience to separate tracks, and there were all sort of fun things you could do with panning those tracks around.

    You seem to be leaning toward saturation plugs. Culture Vulture was cool, though I ended up not using it much. My favorite sat was the preamp/EQ distortion from the Neve 1073. They really nailed the transformer distortion, and I prefer that to tube distortion tbh.
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    Thank you for the great post. Really enjoyed reading the information about Yes, especially the idea of sending the bass guitar to two amps, bass for low end and guitar for higher end crunch. I will be trying this for sure!!

    Quote Originally Posted by cheerful hamster View Post
    Re: the sound stage, since we record at home in less-than-stellar rooms we usually end up close-micing everything. This puts every sound up in your face. Without shelling out $$$ for soundproofing and studio design, a little artificial ambience (i.e. reverb) helps a lot. The Ocean Way is brilliant at this, but it's a DSP hog. I usually printed the ambience to separate tracks, and there were all sort of fun things you could do with panning those tracks around.
    100% agree! When you use Ocean Way, do you use it in re-mic mode as an insert, or as a traditional reverb on a send? I'm sure it depends, but curious to know specifics if you dont mind. I dont quite follow when you are talking about panning around the ambience tracks. Do you mind elaborating a bit?

    Quote Originally Posted by cheerful hamster View Post
    You seem to be leaning toward saturation plugs. Culture Vulture was cool, though I ended up not using it much. My favorite sat was the preamp/EQ distortion from the Neve 1073. They really nailed the transformer distortion, and I prefer that to tube distortion tbh.
    I must admit I haven't experimented using the 1073 much as a distortion effect. Use it as a preamp, but I'll have to try it for distortion, especially on bass and drums.

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    Well, I've been demoing the Distressor, and I'm starting to get confused, lol. Wondering if I have enough compression options with the Fairchild, 1176 & LA-2A that I dont really NEED the Distressor? However I did test it on some vocals and it sounded GREAT. Was able to get a nice compression tightening without any audible pumping. Again though, if I'm going to have someone else mix my stuff, do I really need to buy more compressor plugins? Maybe I should go with Unison preamps for live use, or other "special effect" type plugins. Any suggestions? Getting a bit overwhelmed, but maybe I just need some sleep, lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LGK_Dude View Post
    Thank you for the great post. Really enjoyed reading the information about Yes, especially the idea of sending the bass guitar to two amps, bass for low end and guitar for higher end crunch. I will be trying this for sure!!
    Not to derail this thread - but what you said above reminded me of this brilliant post by Pro:
    https://uadforum.com/apollo-interfac...in-bass-2.html

    - check out post #7 for some deep bass mixing tips, not least on the subject of 'bass' and 'bass guitar'.

    Gotta love this forum
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    Quote Originally Posted by LGK_Dude View Post
    When you use Ocean Way, do you use it in re-mic mode as an insert, or as a traditional reverb on a send?
    I don't want to tell you wrong. I've been UAD-2-less since 2015 and my brain doesn't cooperate anymore. I remember trying both and preferring remic mode most of the time, but in some situations not. Experiment is all I can say, it will be obvious which is best.
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