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Can i transfer plugins from one device to another ?

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HummN

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Hi

I am trying to get my head around how this "must sell plugins with hardware " works ?


So if i buy a pcie card with plugins from another person.
They ship the item to me.
I already own a pcie octo.

1) When the pcie card with plugins arrives from seller can i transfer the plugins from their Quad onto my octo ?

2) If for the sake of just asking this question > what if i wanted to buy just the plugins from them but because of import taxes " country to country" of 3-4000k, i said to the seller please transfer the quad and plugins to my account but throw the quad in the bin ? can i then add the "Quad" plugins to my octo without having to physically receive the Quad that originally had the plugins on it ? Or does the quad have licenses stored on them that need to be digitally transferred ?

Thanks
 
Don Schenk

Don Schenk

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UniversalAudio said:
Have you seen this doc before?

https://help.uaudio.com/hc/en-us/ar...-UAD-2-Apollo-Device-with-Additional-Plug-Ins

Start here.
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Drew,

I know there must be a page on UA's Website that explains UA's position on sales of individual plug-ins from one UAD 2 user to another, and what a UAD2 user can do if he/she has already sold their UAD2 hardware, and now wants to sell the plug-ins he/she has purchased.

Any idea where that page might be?

The question about selling plug-ins comes up here often.

:- Don
 
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HummN

Member
Hi

All or nothing is fine but technically one could get “ hardware + plugins transferred as a per say “all in one / re-sale “ and technically the buyer doesn’t actually need to receive the hardware and the buyer should still be able to load the resale plugins onto his UAD-2 ? Is this technically Correct ?
 
slamthecrank

slamthecrank

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HummN said:
Hi

All or nothing is fine but technically one could get “ hardware + plugins transferred as a per say “all in one / re-sale “ and technically the buyer doesn’t actually need to receive the hardware and the buyer should still be able to load the resale plugins onto his UAD-2 ? Is this technically Correct ?
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No.

It's pretty simple: the plugins are tied to the hardware. If someone doesn't have the hardware that the plugins are tied to, they cannot use them.

And, you asked this same thing two weeks ago... what exactly are you trying to do?
 
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HummN

Member
slamthecrank said:
No.

It's pretty simple: the plugins are tied to the hardware. If someone doesn't have the hardware that the plugins are tied to, they cannot use them.

And, you asked this same thing two weeks ago... what exactly are you trying to do?
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Ok so the plugins are tied to the hardware, but if I buy the hardware which includes X plugins then I can use Those X plugins on other UAD hardware I own ? So the plugins can’t be just tied to the hardware.

Look iam sure that when you buy hardware that contains software and both hardware and software are transferred to my account that the newly transferred software can be used on other UAD hardware I own also so if this is the case then my question is warranted because theoretically if I want to buy hardware ( say a PCIe Solo ) which contains software ( say ultimate 4) and both the hardware solo and software U4 are transferred then I dont need the hardware SOLO shipped to me if I choose, because they are in my account now and I can just load Ultimate 4> the plugins onto my UAD hardware OCTO that I already owned and not care about the hardware the seller throws in the bin or makes a frisby from it.

Unless I am missing a fundamental point that you can explain as to why I physically need the hardware which contains the software ! Please let me know because that’s why I started this thread.


Also
Not a drummer :)

Regards
 
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Dguidry

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If i cascade two BF Apollo’s from JR Shop will I see two instances of the same plungin in my plugins browser? What will I see there if I cascade a SF and a BF?
 
Kcatthedog

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The number of plug ins you see, would be dependent on the number of plug ins you have loaded in console ?

Console would just assign multiple apollos' i/o to console channels (L-R 1-x), based on how you set the master slave relationship between the multiple Apollos in your settings ?

Where you bought the apollo's and or if they were modded, doesn't matter , unless the console software was hacked ?
 
Don Schenk

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UniversalAudio said:
A page other than what I linked to?
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No. This was it...

"Users cannot select individual plugins to transfer. If the current owner selects Transfer Plug-ins: YES then ALL of the registered plugins in that System will be transferred to the new owner's UA account along with the UAD-2/Apollo device."

[MENTION=36414]HummN[/MENTION] and [MENTION=13994]Dguidry[/MENTION] each post an interesting question, and perhaps whenever someone asks about buying/selling/using "used" plug-ins we can point them to this thread.

If I have this correct, because a human at UA must oversee the transfer of plug-ins to the new "owner", and because UA can "see" the serial number(s) of the purchased hardware, the human can lock the transferred plug-ins to that piece of hardware. In which case the purchaser can only run the "used" plug-ins when the piece of hardware is attached the purchaser's computer.

UA can "see" the serial number(s) of the purchased hardware, because of the registration/authorization process.

And, of course, with multiple UA hardware attached to the computer, the plug-in is only listed in Console, or in the DAW, one time, even though the user owns multiple pieces of UA hardware. If one purchases an Apollo and a Satellite (new or used), the same original plug-ins are included with each, but the plug-ins only show up once in Console and in the DAW.

:- Don
 
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HummN

Member
Hi Don

I just purcahaseca brand new OCTO it’s on its way in the mail.

My thread was started because I see a lot of solo or quad hardware sometimes with ultimate 4-6 attached to them and they are mostly in other countries than Australia. So if I were to purchase a hardware + software package like this then it would be cheaper for me not to import the solo or quad so I am wondering if I actually physically need it or can the seller just transfer the solo + plugins and throw the solo in the bin and then I load those plugins onto my octo ?

I would like to buy plugins in bulk to save $ that is why I am asking this. It’s a totally legitimate legal question besides the sin of binning a piece of UAD hardware, but why would I pay import taxes that total more than the hardwares worth !

Anyway I am under the impression that this would work as if I received the hardware but didn’t need to use it. I was worried that maybe I would have to transfer plugins from hardware solo to hardware octo, but I am sure that’s not the case .

Regards
 
Kcatthedog

Kcatthedog

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You don't physically need the HW, if you have other HW, but UA won't do the transfer, without HW so the question is academic ?

or How many beers can I drink Friday night, if I have no beers ?
 
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Dguidry

Venerated Member
I’ve transferred plugins from one device to another involving a twin and a SF Apollo. When I bought out my studio partner we divided up the plugins we had purchased on the SF and transferred half in value to the Twin when he took that with him. So it can be done. You just have to represent to UA the correct scenario and they will gladly do it,

In my opinion the limitations on plugin transfers placed on Sellers of UA products make any transactions between buyer and seller very risky. One has to rely on the good faith of the sellers to proactively engage with UA to transfer plugin authorities to the buyers account, all after the fact of the sale.

In my case, it took forever to get UA to effectuate the transfers and we were known to each other. Can’t imagine how this is done between buyers and sellers who are complete strangers and may be worlds apart.

Addendum: thinking about this more... it must be an issue for resellers if their products, who have to go through these hoops to first get the authorizations then transfer them to a buyers new account.
 
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Dguidry

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So this question now comes to me: If I have a Manley EQ which is tied to my SF Apollo which is cascaded to a new BF Apollo, can I insert that plugin in a console channel insert of the BF Apollo?
 
Matt Hepworth

Matt Hepworth

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You can sell and transfer UAD hardware. The hardware can either be with zero additional plugins you've purchased, or all the additional plugins you've purchased.

Regarding groups/Systems:
Transfer is also uaudio.com System/group specific. This means if you have two Systems (groups) set up in your uaudio.com account, the hardware you sell will include whatever plugins you purchased for the System/group that that exact hardware is in.
 
Matt Hepworth

Matt Hepworth

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Dguidry said:
So this question now comes to me: If I have a Manley EQ which is tied to my SF Apollo which is cascaded to a new BF Apollo, can I insert that plugin in a console channel insert of the BF Apollo?
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Authorization is shared among all pieces of hardware in the same System.
 
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HummN

Member
Dguidry said:
I’ve transferred plugins from one device to another involving a twin and a SF Apollo. When I bought out my studio partner we divided up the plugins we had purchased on the SF and transferred half in value to the Twin when he took that with him. So it can be done. You just have to represent to UA the correct scenario and they will gladly do it,

In my opinion the limitations on plugin transfers placed on Sellers of UA products make any transactions between buyer and seller very risky. One has to rely on the good faith of the sellers to proactively engage with UA to transfer plugin authorities to the buyers account, all after the fact of the sale.

In my case, it took forever to get UA to effectuate the transfers and we were known to each other. Can’t imagine how this is done between buyers and sellers who are complete strangers and may be worlds apart.

Addendum: thinking about this more... it must be an issue for resellers if their products, who have to go through these hoops to first get the authorizations then transfer them to a buyers new account.
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Yes things always seem to take forever when depatrting a love

I hear you with risky and issues, if I buy a UAD-2 solo with 20 +plugs, I would have to convince the buyer to only declare the hardware value for import tax reasons however any seller would want to insure the item for the value of the hardware + plugs and then I would have no choice but to pay import taxes on plugins which is wrong at any level.

I really hope universal audio separates plugins from hardware for re sale or at least allows the plugins to be transferred under there controls at the will of the owners of the plugins. After all if we pay that kind of money for plugins we should be allowed to say to universal audio I have sold them please attach them to this email and pay a fee. Why can’t it be that simple.
 
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