Uad price rise uk

After saving up I was ready to pull the plug on another 2 uad octo thunderbolt satellites bringing my system to 4 octo’s they were £750 so a total of £1500
Went to buy them today and they have shot up in price £1070 each £320 more so the price for two is £2140
A couple of days ago I could have nearly bought three for that price!
Needless to say I did not buy them and refuse to pay another £640 for them.
Sorry uad but at this price point I will not be buying any more of your products.

Those increases seem a bit high. Should have only been $200US.


Regardless, sorry that economic/governmental conditions forced us to make this move.

We absorbed the first 15% tariff for 7 months, but additional 10% was too much.

Even then, we've not raised prices on all products. x16 and Arrow remain unchanged as does all the analog gear we hand make in Santa Cruz. Live Rack also remains the same.

Those increases are Europe wide and the OP is correct on the numbers.
For a Vienna Ensemble user £1,074.18 buys alot of Pc .. .. .. .. with change to spare.

https://www.cclonline.com/pc/workstation-pcs/echo/ccl-echo-300-audio-workstation/

It’s interesting that the tariff effects non-US countries.

I have no idea how it is actually implemented, but many taxes apply only to sales in the jurisdiction in question. I buy gear or services from the UK and don’t pay VAT, for example.

If the USA has imposed sanctions and the products are shipped from China to USA then distributed around the world would it not be beneficial to ship from China to a country which does not impose these extra tariffs and re distribute from there avoiding unnecessary tariffs

I'm not a corporate accountant so I don't know the legalities etc, but it seems possible that because we're a US company and the products are on our books, it doesn't matter.

But again, unless you're a corporate accountant with experience in international business, we're all just speculating.

If that’s the case then the major question is who gets the extra £640 I have to pay

axeman_uk said:

If that’s the case then the major question is who gets the extra £640 I have to pay

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It goes up the chain, ultimately to the US government. Tariffs are taxes.

We've been writing checks to the US Treasury for 7 months.

Out of interest what about Apple hardware in the US - any effect?

Perhaps tangentially related...... I'm used to seeing that promo codes can't be used on Antares Auto-Tune, but the code I currently have has a whole list of plugs it can't be used on..... What is this all about?

Making amurika great again: one lost sale at a time. It’s a shame that really it’s good companies and clients who face the hardship: China laughs at Trump, who wins ?

axeman_uk said:

If the USA has imposed sanctions and the products are shipped from China to USA then distributed around the world would it not be beneficial to ship from China to a country which does not impose these extra tariffs and re distribute from there avoiding unnecessary tariffs

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I would think so unless the way the new tariff works is any American company buying from China might be required to pay the tariff whether they ship to the US first or ship directly to Europe. The new tariff thing will hurt American businesses and make the American people pay more for everything made in China — which is almost everything.

Oh there you go using logic (not the DAW) again. Since when have government officials acted with logic, except for maybe in the Scandinavian countries?

:- Don

If that’s the case could you set up a separate company in say Europe and let them buy the hardware and ship it around the world tariff free

axeman_uk said:

After saving up I was ready to pull the plug on another 2 uad octo thunderbolt satellites bringing my system to 4 octo’s they were £750 so a total of £1500

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Buy 2 x 6176's (which have not gone up), get the free OCTO's for the current promotion, and then sell the 6176's. You'll probably end up better than even before the price increase.

UniversalAudio said:

Those increases seem a bit high. Should have only been $200US.

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$200US for both or each? He is reporting a £620 increase for both, mean around $776 or $388 each.

axeman_uk said:

If the USA has imposed sanctions and the products are shipped from China to USA then distributed around the world would it not be beneficial to ship from China to a country which does not impose these extra tariffs and re distribute from there avoiding unnecessary tariffs

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Yes, absolutely. Even if sanctions weren't put in to place, it would be smarter to ship directly to England and this is what other large companies do.

UniversalAudio said:

I'm not a corporate accountant so I don't know the legalities etc, but it seems possible that because we're a US company and the products are on our books, it doesn't matter.

But again, unless you're a corporate accountant with experience in international business, we're all just speculating.

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My wife is the corporate controller (accountant) for an International business. It would only work this way if UA is first importing to the US for QC before shipping to Europe. Do you do that? If you do, don't keep that a secret, that's good marketing!

It’s a shame that would be a great idea if only the 6176 didn’t retail for £2410 each and I’ve only got £1500 saved up

OCTOs raised 200€ in Germany. Apollo X6 and X8 200€. The X8P 300€.Tamed my lust for an upgrade which I planned too.
Time for a Twin X release and or free plugins for existing units for European customers.

axeman_uk said:

If that’s the case then the major question is who gets the extra £640 I have to pay

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UniversalAudio said:

It goes up the chain, ultimately to the US government. Tariffs are taxes.

We've been writing checks to the US Treasury for 7 months.

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Donald Trumps Twitter feed:

5 May

For 10 months, China has been paying Tariffs to the USA of 25% on 50 Billion Dollars of High Tech, and 10% on 200 Billion Dollars of other goods. These payments are partially responsible for our great economic results. The 10% will go up to 25% on Friday. 325 Billions Dollars....

...of additional goods sent to us by China remain untaxed, but will be shortly, at a rate of 25%. The Tariffs paid to the USA have had little impact on product cost, mostly borne by China. The Trade Deal with China continues, but too slowly, as they attempt to renegotiate. No!

Hi sorry if I’m miss reading this and my lack of understanding how this works but are you saying that China gives money to the USA to supply them products and the companies within USA which buy these products have to give the government new added additional money to now buy these products so the government is getting paid twice for the same product ,once from China and from the company’s that buy from China

axeman_uk said:

Hi sorry if I’m miss reading this and my lack of understanding how this works but are you saying that China gives money to the USA to supply them products and the companies within USA which buy these products have to give the government new added additional money to now buy these products so the government is getting paid twice for the same product ,once from China and from the company’s that buy from China

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Not quite.

"...are you saying that China gives money to the USA "

Someone has to pay a 25% import tax on goods arriving from China - so either the Chinese manufacturer can reduce the wholesale price in order to absorb the 25% at source OR the importer (the company that has offshored their manufacturing to China) can absorb the cost with a 25% loss of income per unit as they sell their products on to the Distributors .. OR .... they can pass that 25% cost on to the Distributors (shops etc) who in turn pass the cost on to us .... the consumer.

I think Drew was implying that UA have been absorbing the cost at their end - paying the 25% tariff/tax to the U.S. treasury and protecting the consumer from the price hike whilst they waited and hoped that the trade war would come to an end. It hasn't and so I guess U.A. have had to take a step back and take a new long term approach that keeps them AND the Chinese manufacturer solvent which has sadly resulted in the tariff/tax being handed to us .... the price hike will still cost them a downturn in revenue as illustrated by the couple of people in this thread who've already decided the price hike is a step too far. This is why trade wars are problematic.................!


The most prominent trade war of the 20th century was ignited by the Smoot-Hawley Tariff act of 1930, which imposed steep tariffs on roughly 20,000 imported goods. Led by Canada, America's trading partners retaliated with tariffs on United States exports, which plunged 61 percent from 1929 to 1933.

So that worked as expected
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Will it result in U.A. returning manufacturing to the U.S.....?
I doubt the company would want to commit to the tooling and infrastructure startup costs.

I work with making glasses and we get frames that were made in China as sides and a front these are sent to another county which attaches the sides to the frame so they can now claim it’s made in a different country so could uad make the circuit boards and cases in China separately and put them together in a different country and claim that as the origin of manufacturer