Multiple instances of plugins across all tracks in session

briaboy

Active Member
HI - I've been watching some UAD and other tutorial videos and have noticed that it is possible to insert the same plugin across all tracks to simulate a real console. e.g. the Neve 88RS, the new brainworx console E, etc. However, when I try to do this, I get a message saying that some of the instances have been disabled due to DSP limitation. I'm using a iMac 27" with 32GB added memory (full capacity), with nothing else running, internet disabled etc. So - how can I have 16 instances of, for example, Neve 88RS plus all my other audio and instrument plugins on each track running in a session?

Thanks!

bb
 

briaboy

Active Member
I should also add that the Legacy version of 88RS doesn't have this problem on it own, but when I start to add onstruments, vocals etc, then the DSP is quickly used up. How on earth can people run 24, 48+ tracks with UAD plugins?
 

Arionas

Established Member
Probably you are running out of DSP power. Mk II versions use more dsp power because they simulate the pre-amps and the non-linearities.
Take a look here and calculate: https://help.uaudio.com/hc/en-us/articles/215262223
If you like a lot the sound of the plugins you want to use the solution is to add one more Octo.

cheers
 

briaboy

Active Member
One more Octo?
 

woodyreed

Established Member
One more Octo?
At least! Look at the instance chart and add it up. Also, take off load lock in the UAD settings. A channel strip with load lock takes more then you'd probably need. As it reserves dip incase all the elements get added. (eq, comp, gate, etc)
 

briaboy

Active Member
But I'm not sure what you mean by "add Octo". Which Octo?
 

briaboy

Active Member
Let me give you an example. Here is a screenshot of a session. As you can see I have a 10 track session with the following: 13 Instrument/vocal plugins (non-UAD) and 6 UAD (Neve 1073, La-2A, 1176, Maag, 2x EMT140).
Even this is too much DSP because one of the EMT140s is disabled. The UAD Table you sent says that even the most basic setup should be able to run 6 EMTs!

I'm sure I must be doing something wrong here.

Thanks! Screen Shot 2017-08-13 at 09.46.51.png
 

briaboy

Active Member
To test this from a "clean" perspective, I just opened a brand new session and tried to add multiple instances of EMT140. The limit is 8 before DSP disable takes place. And that is with NO other plugins (intsruments, audio etc.). This doesn't seem right. Help anyone!
 

woodyreed

Established Member
Your gear shows a Satellite Quad as your UAD processing. You need way more then a quad for what you want to do. The quad has 4 cores. One instance of the neve 1073 takes up almost one whole core. Use the instance chart and add up how many cores it will take to do what you want to do. As an example, I have a 20 core system. And I still max out quite easily at times. I just bought a Octo sattelite last week, so now I'll have 28 cores and will be able t run more plugs.

It's not about computer specs, it's about how many UAD cores you have.
 

briaboy

Active Member
So the Apollo 8 PLUS the satellite Quad is not enough to run a decent sized session? That's crazy. So - how many cores does the Apollo have? Plus the Quad makes a total of ? So how many plugins can I expect to run in one session with the Apollo 8 plus the Quad? Sorry to be so dumb about this but I've never tried doing sessions larger than 8 tracks until now!
 

exoslime

Venerated Member
it totally depends ont he plugins you are going to use, some uad-2 plugins needs more, some lesser of precious UAD-2 DSP Power, lookup at the instance chart that has been linked earlier in this thread to get a feel for it, it also depends on which sample rate you are running your projects

My uad-2 system does have 16 DPS Cores (Apollo Quad, 1x PCI-e Quad, 1x PCI-e Octo) and that keeps me in a good shape in terms of UAD-2 Land, but i also use a good amount of native plugins so i can make a good share between using some natice plugins to keep my computer cpu occupied, but also having some decent UAD-2 DSP resources for plenty of UAD-2 Plugins

also when you are mixing only in protools, disable all the plugins in your apollo console so they dont waste uad-2 dsp power whilst doing nothing

and you can use the dsp loadlock feature (you will find that in the uad-2 settings panel" to free up more dsp power.
Loadlock Function means, on some plugins, like channelstrips, when you have the comp section disgaged, it wont take UAD-2 DSP Power, only when you engage it, and that can save you some dsp power.
 

Kcatthedog

Hall of Fame Member
I had an apollo quad and an octo and never had a problem with like 15-20+ tracks and 8 aux.

On the UA site there is an instance chart which shows maximum numbers of plugs by type and dsp configuration.

But it varies by type of plug in so there is no one right answer.
 

briaboy

Active Member
I've now tried working with the Apollo and the Satellite Quad. It's pretty good but I think I should probably buy an Octo too by the sounds of things. Yes?
 

briaboy

Active Member
Do you mean you have an Apollo interface plus the quad and octo (satellites), or is the Quad the interface? Thanks!




I had an apollo quad and an octo and never had a problem with like 15-20+ tracks and 8 aux.

On the UA site there is an instance chart which shows maximum numbers of plugs by type and dsp configuration.

But it varies by type of plug in so there is no one right answer.
 

Don Schenk

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So the Apollo 8 PLUS the satellite Quad is not enough to run a decent sized session? That's crazy. So - how many cores does the Apollo have? Plus the Quad makes a total of ? So how many plugins can I expect to run in one session with the Apollo 8 plus the Quad? Sorry to be so dumb about this but I've never tried doing sessions larger than 8 tracks until now!
UA makes an Apollo Duo with 2 DSP chips, an Apollo Quad with 4 DSP chips, and your Satellite Quad has 4 DSP chips. Your gear list doesn't say what your Apollo has.

UAD DSP only runs on the SHARC chips in the UA devices. Your computer's specs have nothing to do with it at all.

Each DSP SHARC chip can only process a certain amount of DSP, which is why the Instance chart that appears in the list at the top of this forum is important. And a plug-in can NOT split itself across 2 SHARCs - a plug-in must run on a single SHARC.

For example the 88RS Legacy only uses 3.2% of one SHARC, while the newer 88RS uses 38.3% of one SHARC. The new SSL uses 41.8% of one SHARC.

If several plug-ins on a SHARC together use 87% of that one SHARC, then it is impossible to add the new 88RS to that SHARC, because the 88RS needs 38.3%, and won't fit.

There are several threads about this. Let me go see if I can find them in a list I keep.

HTH

:- Don

EDIT: Okay, I found these...

http://uadforum.com/apollo-interfaces/18606-apollo-sharc-performance-questions.html

http://uadforum.com/uad-satellite-a...nt-more-dsp-dont-need-console-dont-start.html

http://uadforum.com/general-discussion/27913-makes-me-feel-cheated-ua-2.html#post228693
 
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briaboy

Active Member
Thanks so much Don, hugely appreciated.

The Apollo interface I have is the Apollo 8 Duo (blackface),

cheers,
bb
 

briaboy

Active Member
Thanks Matt!
 

briaboy

Active Member
Ok, I've taken all this on board. One last thing. my Apollo DSP1 is 22.6%, DSP2 is 33.5% And that is a blank session, no plugins, nothing, and the internet connection off! Seems high, don't you think?!
 

Matt Hepworth

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Flex routing (especially virtual channels) and delay compensation will also eat up some DSP. Are you positive you don't have any hidden channels (auxes), or any used Unison slots?
 
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