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Console 2 - Record Wet AND Dry

Gerk

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Would love the option to record both at the same time. I suppose there might be a fancy way of doing some funky routing to do this, but it would be awesome to be able to just push a button and record both the clean and the effected chain to your DAW without much fuss...
 

Gerk

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Yep figured there was a way to route it all .. but I would still love a button right in the console that just lets you do this without fussing as much (like worrying where to put the plugins, what to listen to and what not to, etc). Like a button that just says "route dry to additional DAW input" or something simple like that.
 

Don Schenk

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Would love the option to record both at the same time. I suppose there might be a fancy way of doing some funky routing to do this, but it would be awesome to be able to just push a button and record both the clean and the effected chain to your DAW without much fuss...
You would still need to select which track(s) to use. And what if you wanted to record 1 dry and 3 wet? How would it know?

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Gerk

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That's why they made preferences and GUIs :)

1. Guitar goes into Hi-Z-1, and the level set in Console. NO plug-ins on this channel, because you want it recorded dry.

2. Also in Console, the "Insert Effects" (the Rec/Mon button on the right) is set to Monitor. You don't want the channel in Console sending a wet signal to the track.
With the way Console 2 works now wouldn't you still be able to have the plugins on the main input strip and just make sure to set the "Insert Effects" to MON?

I guess I'll have to try this out for myself :)
 

Don Schenk

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That's why they made preferences and GUIs :)
With the way Console 2 works now wouldn't you still be able to have the plugins on the main input strip and just make sure to set the "Insert Effects" to MON?

I guess I'll have to try this out for myself :)
OH! Probably. Let me know.

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Gerk

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OH! Probably. Let me know.

:- Don
Yep in fact it does work fine. I put all the effects on my main input channel, set the record to monitor only, and then sent the wet signal to the aux and it all recorded as expected.
 

Don Schenk

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So inserting FX in the channel, and making the channel "Mon" still keeps the FX live in the Aux, from which they record, because there is not a "Rec/Mon" setting in the Aux. FX in the Aux always records.

The only exception to this I can see occurs when (if) you would want to record one dry track and two wet tracks with each wet track having a different set of FX or FX settings.

I keep a copy of the wet/dry explanation with the other thread's URL in it, and I am going to add a link to this thread to it.

Way cool. Thanks,

:- Don
 
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c00llin

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But doesn't the aux have a 32ms delay? Phase issues?

Update:
Sorry, just read the other thread, it's 32 samples, so make sure to line them up

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Gerk

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But doesn't the aux have a 32ms delay? Phase issues?

Update:
Sorry, just read the other thread, it's 32 samples, so make sure to line them up

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I think that the new version of Console 2 compensates for that (as long as you've set it up in preferences), no? I'll have to take a closer look at the scratch track I recorded with it but I didn't notice it off the top of my head (32 samples when running through the Marshall Plexi plugin is probably not all that noticeable!)
 

c00llin

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I don't know if it compensates, it could be a problem if you'd record a bass dry and wet


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Gerk

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When I first assigned it like that Console came up with a warning telling me to increase something (I don't remember what) but it seemed like it was compensation for this. Anyway I'm happy to be able to record both and when I do something like bass where it will be noticeable I will check and see how it works out and if it's still 32 samples off or not.
 

Serenity

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I think one solution could be to have an "Enable dry inputs" option in the preferences. Then you'd be able to select the dry inputs in your daw as "Input 1 - Dry, Input 2 - Dry" etc.
That way you'd still keep the Console GUI simple yet allow both options for "advanced" users.
 

exoslime

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I think one solution could be to have an "Enable dry inputs" option in the preferences. Then you'd be able to select the dry inputs in your daw as "Input 1 - Dry, Input 2 - Dry" etc.
That way you'd still keep the Console GUI simple yet allow both options for "advanced" users.
if i understand you correctly, that would be a great idea,
basically double all the audio driver inputs like that:
input 1 - dry
input 1 - wet
input 2 - dry
input 2 - wet
...
and then you can choose in your daw which inputs
amazing idea!!
 

Hoenerbr

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YES YES YES +10000000
I've been asking for this since day 1 !!! I come from a Creamware Scope environment where you could create this for yourself with Sharc chips, so I know how easily it can be done! Pease UA !!!!!



if i understand you correctly, that would be a great idea,
basically double all the audio driver inputs like that:
input 1 - dry
input 1 - wet
input 2 - dry
input 2 - wet
...
and then you can choose in your daw which inputs
amazing idea!!
 

Don Schenk

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I don't know if it compensates, it could be a problem if you'd record a bass dry and wet


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That's easy. Simply zoom way in to check it by looking at a transient, then nudge one track 32 samples left. There is actually a command for it in Reaper, and I suspect that will be true of most DAWs - in case compensation doesn't work.

:- Don
 

Gerk

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That's easy. Simply zoom way in to check it by looking at a transient, then nudge one track 32 samples left. There is actually a command for it in Reaper, and I suspect that will be true of most DAWs - in case compensation doesn't work.

:- Don
I just verified today. Compensation does not automatically do this for you and there was indeed a 32 sample nudge required. DP has the ability to set the nudge value so it wasn't a big deal, but good to know. It was kind of hard to tell with the first stuff I tried with this, but when I tried it again today with some mellower stuff the difference was pretty obvious, you could hear the phase shift right away, and then when zooming in and looking at the waveforms it was very obvious to see. The nudge sorted things out nicely though.
 

Don Schenk

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I just verified today. Compensation does not automatically do this for you and there was indeed a 32 sample nudge required. DP has the ability to set the nudge value so it wasn't a big deal, but good to know. It was kind of hard to tell with the first stuff I tried with this, but when I tried it again today with some mellower stuff the difference was pretty obvious, you could hear the phase shift right away, and then when zooming in and looking at the waveforms it was very obvious to see. The nudge sorted things out nicely though.
Reaper has the nudge command, and it can be set in samples, or time in ms. An instrument dry and wet at the same time will have comb filtering, even at a 1 or 2 sample difference. I was playing with it yesterday, and demoed the IBP Phase Alignment Tool. It is an interesting tool for also adding comb filtering (flange effect) if you wish.

I was able to simply us nudge in the DAW software to align the tracks quickly.

:- Don
 
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