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    True Thunderbolt 3 connection to Win 10 64B PC?

    Hi,

    New here, and looking to purchase an (true) Thunderbolt 3 interace with full 40Gb/s transfer rates.
    Most interfaces are saying it's possible with a TB2 to TB3 connector - but then that doesn't make sense since it's not the 40Gb/s speed.

    It looks like the Apollo Twin is true TB3 with full 40Gb/s transfer rates - am I correct? Just not sure. And if so which model?
    I see this article: https://help.uaudio.com/hc/en-us/art...-Compatibility but can't find the Apollow Twin Thunderbolt model anywhere. (or are they saying all Twins are TB3 compatible?)

    I have an ASRock Z270 SuperCarrier motherboard with 2 TB3 ports and I'm having a seriously tough time finding a reasonably priced audio interface with full TB3 transfer rates.

    Any help is much appreciated.

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    Hi RockGeek,

    Welcome to the forum.

    AFAIK The UA interfaces all use TB2 on the interface. I haven't seen any interface units that use TB3, even from other interface manufactures. I couldn't find them with a Google search. Maybe Apogee or Presonus makes one, but I can't find one.

    But since TB3 is backward compatible with TB1 and TB2, the various interface manufactures are recommending a TB3 to TB2 adapter to connect into Windows machines - Apollos and Satellites included.

    Apparently the Apollo TB drivers work with Windows computers that have TB3, but as that article indicates, the Windows computer needs to have TB3, and a TB2 to TB3 adapter (for the Apollo or Satellites) must be used. The confusion can come into play, because the USB-C connector and the TB3 connector are the same connector. So a Windows computer with a USB-C connector might appear to have TB3, when in fact it doesn't.

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    The only TB3 one announced is from Foucsrite so far. I am hopeful that soon UAD will put TB3 on it's next line of Apollo updates.
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    I mentioned the need for UA to upgrade their Apolloís with TB3 in another thread. Iím also in the market for a quality audio interface and the Apolloís fit the bill but Iím not going to buy until they do.

    Step up your game UA.

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    Over the few years I've been here, UA has made a steady stream of new enhancements. Of course they never say what they are doing, and new features are always news to us. I really wouldn't be surprises if it takes anothr year or two before the UA interfaces have TB3. I definitely would be surprise if they come out with it within the next 6 months.

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    I don't see any reason why UA would be in a hurry to change to TB3, especially not for the Twin.
    TB3 is still new on the market and not that wide spread yet. TB3 is also backwards compatible with the use of an adaptor and since the Twin needs to be on the end of a chain it won't cause any issues in that regard.
    And although you can connect TB3 devices to a TB2 port using the same adaptor it doesn't make sense for UA to make the switch while the majority is still on TB2.

    All that said. Why are you so hooked on the idea of getting a TB3 interface? Apart from not needing an adaptor there's really no benefit to it. The difference in bandwidth will not make any performance improvements whatsoever. You can have a chain of several Apollos and still not max out the bandwidth of TB2. Audio streams doesn't use a whole lot of bandwidth.

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    ^ took the words right out of my mouth!
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    True Thunderbolt 3 connection to Win 10 64B PC?

    There's zero technical benefit for ANY interface to be TB3, or even TB2.

    Theoretical limits of TB1 are over 11,000 simultaneous ins AND 11,000 outs at 192kHz (22,700ish simultaneous audio streams). A large scoring room at the biggest studio holds 150 people and instruments.

    By comparison, the internal high-performance solid state drive will max out at around 500 tracks.

    It's late, and my brain is tired, but I think I did all the math correctly.

    Latency-wise, TB1, TB2, and TB3 are all identical.

    Real-world performance will pan out to slightly lower numbers, but you get the idea.

    In short, TB1 is beyond any interface requirements and provides enough I/O bandwidth to record everyone in a football stadium (with their own individual mics) simultaneously at 24/192.

    Food for thought.

    Here's a handy calculator to determine audio bandwidth and storage.
    https://www.sounddevices.com/tech-no...ing-calculator
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    Ok then if not for bandwidth then just simple ease of use? If I plan on plugging an expensive piece of hardware into a Windows motherboard that doesn’t have a TB2 connection, I need an adapter. It’s like video standards: VGA, DVI, HDMI, display port and the monitor doesn’t match the computer you’re trying to connect it to. Imagine every time you go to plug an electrical appliance into a power socket only to find the the socket was European.

    With USB 3.1 type C and TB3 at least sharing the same plug type, there’s interchangeability between Apple and Windows platforms. With all this talk about backwards compatibility between TB2 and TB3, one would still need an adapter.

    Technology doesn’t need to be frustrating. There’s elegance in simplicity. Don’t underestimate its selling point.
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